This time though, I've been too busy for the wiki and had to use the recent changes part to check for the new users that I haven't greeted yet. Just manually checking all the names I don't recognize. x'D
Btw, sorry about not getting the personal compliments done on Valentine's Day, Pearl. I had a few quizzes and tests and midterms that week at once and it crashed on my head. I'm trying to do them right now. Give me some time.
Hey, Proud. Just wanted to ask a quick question on the villain that I am writing for the contest.
I decided to settle in on a vengeful type of villain that has qualities of Scarlet and Zuko and little bit of Azula. And the reason for her vengeance is that she wants to avenge the hero for killing her brother in a fight between them and she wants to finish what he started.
Does it make a good reason for her revenge? Or should I change it to something else?
Well, I think it's a little bare-bones right now. It's certainly an acceptable basis to move forward with the villain, but it needs... more.
Like, okay, the main catalyst of wanting to avenge her brother's death by killing the hero is cliched, but it can certainly work as a reason for the villain to target the hero. I think the key to making her more interesting is isolating her relationship with her brother, what was the nature of the mission her brother started and why she wants to finish it.
Is it a good goal to work towards? Would she be willing to give her life for such a goal? If so, it makes an key similarity to the Ventus' willingness to complete a task once she puts her mind to it. If it's not an evil goal, then it makes her more complex, seeing how she has good ends and is using bad means to reach those goals.
Except whereas Ventus' drive has improved her character and made her a better person, Arete has continued to worsen in her drive for vengeance, inching closer to the edge of the darkness unlike Ventus, making her the shadow of Ventus, someone whose drive (for vengeance) has eroded her ability to get better (until she realizes her vengeance is making her a worse dragon, which I'm not against if you go that direction)!
How much did losing her brother affect her? Were they close? Has losing her brother affected her ability to be friendly with strangers or other loved ones or has she always been good / bad with strangers and this loss just drove her to worsen her ability to connect? I'd need to know more.
Ultimately, I think the vengeance motive is a tiny bit cliched, but it can absolutely work, depending on how many layers and self-awareness and good parts of the villain there are. There are other parts of Arete that can be focused on except for vengeance too.
This was just basically an idea. I should have put that on the first comment. I might use it though. You do have good points. :D
I mean I still want to do a vengeful villian but not be cliche into killing the hero but rather slowly playing with Ventus's mind by tormenting her and destroying her close friends and loved ones just like Ventus killed the brother. Like, I want Arête to leave a huge impact on Ventus's life but also at first leaving Ventus clueless on who the villian is and then when the villian is revealed that it was Arete the whole time, Ventus would be shocked since Arete was the least of dragons who Ventus thought was the villian, you know? Kind of like Prometheus from Arrow.
But I mean I will add a reason on why Ventus had to kill the brother in order for people to understand why Arete is doing what she thinks is right. I will make her isolate herself from the brother and have her make good points into her whole 'assassin' occupation and her revenge motive.
Hopefully it makes sense. I love villians but writing them is honestly a challenge. At least for me. XD
Honestly? I'd ditch the assassin occupation. Either stick with former soldier or assassin because I don't think having both necessarily works (soldiers and assassins have two entirely different skillsets), but if I had to choose, I'd suggest former soldier because not only are assassins relatively played out on the wiki, but the fact that she has a katana (and shurikens) just breaks WoF plausibility, considering the vaguely European trappings of the setting and world-building. Plus, why wouldn't Ventus think Arête is a villain? Her nickname is Red Katana. She is an assassin. A known assassin. That's like expecting the baker to not bake bread or the teacher to not teach kids. Arête kills dragons for a living. This is her job.
Plus, Promethus is a piece of garbage, killing over a father who clearly did not deserve his son's vengeful loyalty. A self-delusion piece of work without a single sympathetic note. I don't look at him and think 'wow, layers!', I think 'wow, you're insane' with Promethus and his hypocritical murdering of scores of other innocent people just to get at Oliver (bro, Promethus, I'm pretty sure those other policemen and people you murdered have sons just like you with your dad that Oliver killed too, pot callling the kettle black in this case?)
Plus, there are no good points to make on assassins in this case. Really, anything Ventus has done, it seems like Arête has done worse more than two-score. You can isolate any reason for Ventus to have to kill Arête's brother and she'll still look far better (and Arête will look incredibly petty and hypocritical and a piece of garbage in her own right) than Arête's killing for money (her being an assassin and all) and probably making dozens of her through her assassin killings. Because I'm sure plenty of Arête's victims had sisters too. Unless you give her moral standards, but you can make her a former soldier and still have that.
Ah, OK. So I should stick with former soldier and take out the shurikens and just leave the katana. Also taking out the nickname, too. The reason for the nickname was for Arete to have an alter-ego as the Red Katana. Like being a good and kind Arete but as the Red Katana she is manipulative and full of hatred towards Ventus, you know? But I think I can make Arete like that without being the Red Katana.
Well that is true but I feel like Prometheus sort of left a dent in Oliver. He tortured Oliver into confessing that he was a killer and not a hero. The whole island blowing up was an 'eh I wish Prometheus had at least managed to kill Felicity or someone else' kind of thing. Also he managed to turn one of Oliver's friends against the Green Arrow. Although he practically did fail in almost everything. Just my opinion. Which Arrow villian do you think made good points and caused the most pain in Oliver?
Hmmm, I will try to come up with something good for the former soldier occupation instead of her being a killer assassin who just kills innocents without thinking things through.
Hate writer's block. :( I cannot think of anything that will make Arete complex and good.
But I will figure it out. :) And sorry if you are getting frustrated with this or if I am bothering you. I really like hearing your advice and helping me make my characters better. :)
Honestly, I'd take out the katana. It just makes Arete seem too special snowflakey in a world without katanas as a usual (heck, even Deathbringer doesn't have a katana). And I think you can make Arete compartimentalize her emotions without using the Red Katana (I think it could work, but I don't think it fits with her).
Yeah, but Felicity (and pretty much all of Oliver's friends) also points out that Prometheus is full of garbage? I mean, yes, Oliver and Prometheus are both killers, but Oliver refuses to give up his morality wholesale, whereas Prometheus just dumped himself in the black swamp of immorality. Which is a key difference between them and it's not helped by the fact that Prometheus is a screaming hypocrite who thinks he has the moral high ground despite all the atrocities he commits. Who'd take this buttface seriously? Oliver only took it seriously because of his deprecation issues. Well, Prometheus, but even then, I think that speaks more to Oliver's issues than the total validity of his points.
Yeah, ditch the killer assassin part and go with a former soldier who's learning to do things differently in a post-war world. Killing innocents without thinking things through just makes her a rather awful buttface.
Try your best, Ra! These things take time.
And good luck with that! Nah, I'm good, feel free to ask whenever you want.
OK, I will just leave her with the sword (the bows and arrows, eh. I don't think she needs them. I'll see.) OK, so maybe I could use the good and kind parts of her personality to her backstory and make the hatred and manipulative part in the present as her being the villian.
It would have been better if at least Prometheus's father had made a good reason for Prometheus to actually have loyalty and love for him instead of just lashing out on innocents for a father who planned on dumping him. Honestly, it was good of Oliver to refuse to give up his morality and yeah, there should have been more to why Prometheus did what he did. In the end he just killed himself and failed. And yeah.
OK, and that would work! Maybe I can make her backstory based on when the War of the SandWing Succession began and how the war had done a great deal of damage that cost her ways of being good and I could use the post-war as her reasons for villiany. Maybe her brother formed a group that lead to disaster and revenge because he saw the war as useless and that cost SkyWings' lives and that made Ventus defeat him and Arete wants to finish her brother's task but instead use it to bring peace (or try to) but she is doing it in bad ways.
Yeah, it does. That is one of the ideas I have or at least tried. X3
Thanks, appreciate it. And OK *phew*. I wish I had good advice like yours. I have seen some characters that you had made and they are pretty good.
I would consider cutting down on the sheer amount of weaponry. If it helps the characterization, keep it, if not... your choice. A nice european sword would be nice. Try not to have a Japanese katana. xD I think that's a solid step, but I'd recommend having a few grains of good and kind parts to her personality in the present. Like make her not a jerk/villain to strangers other than Ventus.
It's a comic book tv show, I'm not expecting the most nuanced characterization. x'D And of course.
Yeah, I definitely think that meshes far better! It links Arete to a grander story and gives her a personal tragedy of losing her brother to Ventus and herself to vengeance and good causes gone rotten. It makes her a more complex villain who's lost herself (or is losing herself) to grief and loss and revenge. Focus on the psychology of Arete and you won't be disappointed by the results.
And well, I took years to get to the level I'm at right now. And I'm not sure that's still good enough, where I'm at. You're younger and you'll get better from now. And, oh, which characters? I don't believe I've written many long forms of characters on the wiki. xD
What makes you think I know how to avoid writer's block, Ra? XD I mean, there are ways to try to get yourself off writer's block so what might work for me might not work for you. Everyone's different.
Yeah I was considering getting rid of the bow and arrows. XD Military soldiers don't have those. Hmmmm, I thought of a couple of few. I was thinking a European longsword: versatile with many angles of attack and defense. Maybe I should also add good European battle attacks and moves to Arete when confronting an individual.
And OK. So maybe Arete can have a soft side when doing her mission: like not harming young dragonets (any tribe) or any other innocent (unless they threaten her life or attack), being calm, patient, smart, confident. And to Ventus she lets out hatred, anger, and a few others but not be a complete jerk as well.
And I am glad you liked the idea! :) It took a long while for me to come up with something for the former soldier part, lol. I think I could work my way to reach that complexity and well-development. Might take time but I will try my best. Maybe when I finish I could send you the link to see if I reached the level. :D
Years, wow! I have been taking writing and art clubs to improve my skills, lol. Well you do give good advice on how to improve on different skills. Like my writing for instance or my opinions. Listening to your advice makes me think more and helps me in different ways. You are a good friend with good advice. And yeah I am only a junior in high school so I have a lot to learn still. XD
And well I did stumble on two of your OCs. Like Sotol the male singer SandWing with the dreams of reaching the Ice Kingdom or Temper the SkyWing. I love how you describe them. It makes them believable characters and it makes me want to learn more on them. :)
Well that is true. But what do you do to rid writer's block? What I do is quit writing for a while and do exercise to relieve myself from the stress xD. Although it doesn't really work, lol.
Well, as Windy pointed out, just because we didn't see bows and arrows doesn't mean they weren't in the SandWing Succession War. They could've been in the war and we just haven't seen them in the narrative. And the European longsword sounds like a pretty good idea.
And it's certainly a good idea. It's earned the congrats. c: And, of course, these things take time to work through. Hope it works out for you. :D
And good! Experience and reading other books will absolutely help you in your writing journey. And, well, that's just what advice is supposed to do, right? Make others think more and help in different ways. If I couldn't do that, then I failed. xD But thank you, Ra. And yup, but I have faith that you'll do well in learning.
Oh! Well, that's just the first draft, honestly, I'll see if I can't get a longer draft going someday, Ra!
And ... well, I genuinely don't have a way to rid writer's block. I mean, the most I do is listen to rain sounds, close the blinds, read a book and hope it goes away eventually.
Yeah. I would like to see a soldier equipped with bows and arrows. Maybe I can include that in Arete's backstory when the SkyWings were fighting another tribe. Yeah, I want to make Arete superior in her combat skills against Ventus. :)
Yeah. Finally I think of a decent idea that works. X3 And yeah hopefuly I manage.
Yeah, I tend to get inspiration from books and movies. Lol, yeah and no you don't fail in giving good advice.👍 Your welcome, Proud. Awww, thanks, Proud, I hope I become good in writing and art too. :)
Big dreams start off small, right? But I know you got the skills in you, Proud. I can't wait to see more on your OCs.
That is actually a good idea. I will try it! :D Writer's block tends to be such a disturbance, honestly.
I tend to have my own ideas about how dragon society works and I personally don't see bows and arrows, but what I think doesn't have to be the end-all of world-building, you know? I think it could be a good idea, given attention to world-building and technological military advancements. And that sounds good! Make Arete an intimidating villain against Ventus. (thumbs-up)
Well, don't discount yourself too much. Surely, you'll have more decent ideas in the future as well.
And that's a good start, but don't try to take too much inspiration. You end up with a diet-version of the characters/ideas you're taking from. Try to make it your own thing, if possible. And I hope so too, especially the art! (I can't art worth beans, I've tried.)
And true, thanks for the vote of confidence. xD
And, well, I've done it and it hasn't really worked out yet, but maybe it might for you! We'll have to see.
Yeah. I think that I should research more on military and war, you know? And yeah I actually want the story to have technology advances and better weapons, maybe I could use it for Arete during her mission to bring peace. And yup yup. 👍
And of course. I try to make my characters be a little bit from the inspiration but mostly from my own brain. And lol, my art is really bad. XD But improvement and practice is a good way to superior.
You're tagged for being an awesome chatmod, always talking with the users on chat while still being able to pick people up on their mistakes! You're very welcoming to new users and old ones, and you're consistant,everyone is treated with the same equality, which is something I really admire about how you interact with other users. You're also a great friend, kind and supportive, but also willing to give your opinion, something I appreciate.
It's okay, I didn't put a hard deadline of tagging on the Valentine's Day thing. x'D
And, awww, thanks, Simmer! I do try my best. I'm not entirely equal with everyone because some of them legitimately do things that I do not agree with on a wikia or even personal level, but I try to treat people fairly by the standards of the wiki rules if anything. And thank you, Simmer! You've always been a bubbly, warmhearted and open friend to me, and someone who I always trust to bring a smile to my face whenever we chat. Traits I always respect out of you and more.
Happy late Valentine's Day. I hope you had a good one and that you've been having good days and will continue to have them from now on. ;D
You’ve been tagged for being a great chat mod, neato friend, having awesome writing, and just being an overall cool person to talk to! It’s fun to talk to you or rant about the characters/books, since your input is always logical. Hope you’ve had a great day so far! <3
D'awww... I feel I should save the majority of my opinion of you right back on the main thread itself, so thank you, Finny! If it means anything, you've been a consistently cool person to chat with, a great friend to others and a excellent artist, which should be on the lower end of reasons people should friends with you for, your kindness and friendliness being far better reasons why they should. ^_^
I hope you have yourself a wonderful Valentine's Day and an even better tonight. <3
aljhfghchds thank you so much Proud,, it does mean a lot though I’m afraid I won’t be able to type as long of a response since words fail me at expressing gratitude xD. Still though, thank you so much, and everything you’ve done for the wiki!
(oh and a note: I don’t need much on the main thread; you’ve already got so many other people to do and I wouldn’t want to stress you out aha)
(pats Finny) It's okay, I just appreciate that you were honest with me. And I get it, don't worry, your response is already gratitude enough. x'D You're welcome and thank you for everything you've done for the wiki as well.
(Well, I'll try to get everyone, but yeah... I have my work cut out for me. x'D. I'll see, but I don't like leaving anyone out.)
Wow, two for two! You must be a great person to have been tagged both times, for each of these events you've hosted.
Anyways, like last year, I wished to tell you again how much I respect and admire you. You're always capable of trying to do the right thing, and you always make sure to make people feel welcomed and loved on this wiki.
D'awww, or maybe it's because you chose me and it has nothing to do with personal greatness, but I thank you for tagging me again!
And I appreciate it like last year. I still wish you were more on this wiki like I mentioned last year, but that's mostly because you seem like a pretty swell person and you seem decent and kind and friendly on an overall level. I hope you've been enjoying yourself and that you have yourself a good Valentine's Day and that you have an even better tonight and tomorrow.
Looking forward to another great year as well, (raises a Proud-Cola glass)
Well, Proud. Happy Valentine's Day! You are an awesome person to chat with and I love hearing your opinions and getting great advice from you. You are a true amazing wiki friend who welcomed me on the wiki and became great friends with.
And happy Valentine's Day back attcha! You're a pretty cool person to chat with and I enjoy hearing from you and reading your opinions on things. You're a bubbly and friendly presence on the wiki and my message wall and I hope everyone else sees that. ^_^
I hope you have a good today and an even better tonight and tomorrow. ;)
(clicks on an email) Yes, doctor? Uh-huh. Right. I see. (closes the email) Right, my ears are totally dead. XD
On a serious note, thank you for your message, now I want to tell you that you've been a friendly and pleasant presence on the wiki and that you've really done your best to help out with the V-day tradition by tagging quite a few people and I hope that they're glad you reached out and I'm proud of you for taking the time out of your day to make another's day better. I'm sure others are as glad to know you as you're glad to know me. You've helped make the wiki a better part. Thank you for that.
And love you too, platonic pals! May you have a better tonight than today, and a better tomorrow than today. c: